What will it take to change people's minds? I'm thinking that it might take a massive pandemic, but this time with no vaccines and no public health mandates, producing a far higher body count than COVID-19. Perhaps, after decimating half our population, the survivors might be willing to reconsider their beliefs.
An opposing perspective to consider on the HPV vaccine saga:
•A “groundbreaking” vaccine was rushed to market by our regulators because it addressed a critical unmet need.
•To make the vaccine work, a new reckless technology had to be used that exposed recipients to significant risk and inevitably produced contaminated vaccine lots.
•The vaccine’s benefit was largely theoretical and not supported by the clinical trials. Because of that, they had to be doctored to heavily exaggerate the vaccine’s safety and efficacy.
•Once the HPV vaccine hit the market, as predicted due to its known and theoretical risks, a tsunami of injuries happened.
•Instead of listening to the countless red flags and public protest, the regulators instead did everything they could to cover them up, began instituting vaccine mandates, and pushed the vaccine on more and more people to increase sales (e.g., boys at no risk of cervical cancer) while simultaneously ensuring the vaccine manufacturers had complete legal immunity for injuries from their product.
•All of the promised benefits of the vaccine have still failed to materialize, and if anything the vaccine actually made things worse (e.g., by changing the circulating strains or provoking severe HPV).
•None of the groups you would have expected to help end this violation of bodily autonomy or help the victims did; instead grass roots ones stepped up to help them.
•There has still been no accountability for what happened, nothing has been done to help the unimaginable number of people who were permanently disabled by the vaccines and the HPV vaccines are now one of the most lucrative pharmaceutical products on the market.
•All of that happened 17 years later with the COVID-19 vaccines.
Claims made without evidence can be refuted without evidence... so since the poster showed no data to back up a single claim why should someone responding need to? These claims are idiotic considering the regulatory environment of the pharmaceutical industry.
oh, things like Event 201, PCR fraud, SPARS Exercise & doc 2017, Rockefeller Lockstep Manual, Dr. Gerald Parker's presentation for ONEHealth, no particle purified ever (FOI'd, by Massey), and more! But now you have 30+ hours of reading to digest and corroborate. I can't list all of the Financial conflicts of interest, it is too long. Have a great day "molecular biologist" David. :)
Can you explain why the Fan Wu 'sars-cov2' discovery paper (2020) is an in-silico discovery only and has no purified viral particle pulled from a human sample? I am curious if you read it, and understand why they don't Validate Biological Structures from human biology?
I think it will take these people seeing their children or other family members die of diseases that could have easily been prevented. I know of a number of covid deniers who have died of covid at great expense to taxpayers. Sad to say but let them die if that’s what they want but quit wasting my tax dollars in the process.
Ancient Greek proverb: “The gods help those who help themselves.”
During the height of our current pandemic, some doctors suggested not giving scarce hospital and ICU beds to people with covid who had not made use of their opportunity to get vaccinated. That would have allowed natural selection to take its course.
I'm reconsidering my harsh responses to anti-vaccine activists, because they may not be acting with malicious intent. They might actually have mental impairments that keep them from fully understanding the damage that they do. They seem to be oblivious about how people's deaths could result from their actions, as was the case with the 2019 measles outbreak in Samoa, and the recent death of a child in Texas.
I'm reconsidering my harsh responses to anti-vaccine activists, because they may not be acting with malicious intent. They might actually have mental impairments that keep them from fully understanding the damage that they do. They are oblivious as to how people's deaths could result from their actions, as was the case with the 2019 measles outbreak in Samoa, and the recent death of a child in Texas.
I'm reconsidering my harsh responses to anti-vaccine activists, because they may not be acting with malicious intent. They might actually have mental impairments that keep them from fully understanding the damage that they do. They seem to be oblivious about how people's deaths could result from their actions, as was the case with the 2019 measles outbreak in Samoa, and the recent death of a child in Texas.
The article was bad enough, you commemt was worse. To begin with the OP
"All vaccines go through years of study..."
Hello...
We recently skipped that part. It wasn't that long ago. Can you remember past a few news cycles?? I know many are having trouble doing that now. Have you noticed that? Odd huh. Wonder what could have happened?
I was one of the few medical professionals in my area screaming about lack of testing and how dangerous it was to ignore decades of safety standards for warp speed. Clearly we dont always study it extensively. This post is not self aware at all about our social reality, why is another question.
Yes we have some good data, but we have a bunch of bad data. We have some major problems with the whole architecture of our medical system..This is dismissed.. and the whole post is disingenuous.
The whole gardasil thing is also misleading. I was in Texas in 06-07 working with some ugly case studies trying to prevent its mandate. She ignores all the problems with it. Disingenuous..
They pay lots of money to fill the space with noise.. like her. There is a greater than zero chance she knows better but is getting money. But I also know several practitioners that present like her who cannot handle that our medical field is not as altruistic as we were conditioned to believe, so they lie to themselves and say it is all fine and cherry pick their convos. Or they are idiots..they walk among us after all. I see some of them driving with cloth masks on because their doctor and our medical institutions told them it was effective. Amazing how centuries of studies regarding the physics of fluids suddenly became wrong. Trust the science is a selective business you know.
But they also pay the other side of the conversation to frame it. ( this is not even an open secret anymore and is a centuries old strategy)
This opposition crowd to our medical sciences has of course gone too far. This is also probably on purpose as well to muddy the conversation by framing the opposing view as absurd. From the no virus crowd to the all medical professionals are trying to kill me, even substack is filled with it.
Of course vIruses are real and some medicines and vaccines are very helpful. But nuance matters.
The public discourse is all trash, probably because those who are in power do not want accountability nor do they want the status quo to change so they have us all out here talking nonsense.
Science is managed for power. Anyone with a shred of intellectual agency should grok this by now.
Then your comment about what would it take?
It would be funny if it isnt very real possibility. On purpose.
The trust of the people must be earned back and it starts with not gaslightimg them. "Years of study.." FFS.
It is remarkable to me how so many of my colleagues and alleged "professionals " lack any amount of nuance to their considerations. That is if they are even being honest in the first place.
No vaccine can protect us from willful arrogance. And so I've come to the sad, infuriating, and terrifying conclusion that it will require a return to the days of American children dropping like flies from measles, whooping cough, tetanus, you name it. When my mother died, I was deeply touched to discover that she'd held on to my sister's and my childhood vaccination booklets for over five decades. Thumbing through them, I compared our fate with four of my grandparents' siblings who were dead by age 6 of diseases we can now prevent. Estelle, Charles, Catherine, Babs. Children's lives are so cheap now.
And the Earth is FLAT. I responded to this same nonsense about how mothers who survived having the disease breastfeeding their kids was the preventative cure for measles. When I responded that I was one of those kids and got a severe case of the measles at 6 years old you went mute. Same thing happened to all my friends. So you have zero interest in evidence based science. What you’re trying to do is spread disinformation that will cause great suffering amongst people. That’s called Sadism.
Well, it is not verified, that's the point. But instead to read and evaluate, you choose to curse him out or discuss how to block him. Sooo smart and verified!😂😂😂
This comment is a trainwreck of anti-science nonsense. Infectious diseases don’t “protect” us—they kill and disable. Before vaccines, measles alone caused mass deaths and lifelong complications. The idea that we need these diseases for health is as absurd as it is dangerous.
Also, this has a certain… algorithmic staleness to it. A clunky, regurgitative quality, like something spat out by a bargain-bin AI trained on bad Facebook posts. If that’s the case: tell your creators they did a sloppy job. If not—well, that’s somehow worse.
So you’re advocating periodic mass die offs of the human population as occurred during the plague in Europe as a better outcome than vaccination? 50 Million estimated to have died. We could have another virus / bacterium come along with similar potential. As I said quite the sadistic view.
What does a link to a letter from a Uganda University about Measles and Burkitt’s lymphoma behind a paywall have to do with anything? Wasting our time with nonsense.
I’m done as well.
Wake up to real, valid scientific analysis of the pathogens that affect human health. Broaden your field of information out of the echo chamber of pseudo science with convoluted false logic that is about disinformation spreading.
Why do you insert links behind a paywall? You’re citing random things to look like there is substance there when there isn’t. You don’t have any understanding of the studies that you cite. They don’t back up your pseudo science
Some ancestors survive not because of nutrition , but rather they have an immune system that does not over-react to the germ. /and every year new humans are born with differing varieties of immune systems - not exactly what their parents were . Infectious disease is a much more complex process - it is not nutritional status alone that determines how virulent any specific microbe is . Of course nutritional status is important , but it just does not determine all the ways your immune system functions. Many many well known epidemics have devastated very healthy peoples . The genes involved in infection response do not “ carry through” directly - in other words even if your mother AND father both survived smallpox , it does NOT ensure that your immune system genes will do that ( even though you got them from your parents ) . These immune system genes are sometimes called HLA genes and are about 16% of the genes you inherit. This is not the right place to go into HLA genetics , believe me I am a practicing primary doc and I find learning about them challenging. But , I can cite 2 brief illustrations . One , even identical twins do not have the same infectious disease responses . Similar ? Sure , but not the same. Second , in kidney transplants , sometimes the BEST match is NOT your closest relatives . Transplant medicine involves very careful manipulation of the immune system and this is related to infection response. Yet , in receiving a kidney from another individual , for the receivers immune system to tolerate it , a close relatives immune system may not be the best match . Strange , right ? But wonderful as well. That’s evolution for you - it does lots of things you just do not expect.
You and I share something - we both want very precise engineering for vaccines . But there are other things we share - What of infections that last for the remainder of one’s life ? There are many of these . Too many to count but you know some of them well. Several of them , I guarantee , you carry yourself as do I . I do not know your age but if you are born prior to about 1990 you carry Chicken Pox virus , EB virus ( mono ) , CMV ( another type of Mono) . Something like 1 of 4 or 1 of 3 of your friends and family and acquaintances carry HSV , either 1 or 2 . This is just a beginning . Evolution did not get rid of these infections , they last a lifetime , even in you Vinu. And me . All of these were well documented prior to any vaccine era. Most of them we have no vaccine for . Most of these have lasted for millennia among humans and will continue to do so ( unless we were able to engineer vaccines to eliminate them , but most vaccines do not eliminate infections , nor were they designed to ) . Many , not all , of these lifelong infections have consequences that lead to mildly annoying ( think HSV 1 ) to devastating diseases ( think Multiple Sclerosis ) or highly lethal conditions ( think lymphomas or liver cancers) . Now if evolution or proper nutrition fixed all these problems , or at least the worst ones , why were these diseases well known very long before vaccines and yet continue ? Why didn’t evolution get rid of you or me , or our parents , as both of us could suffer the downstream effects of these infections.
It’s difficult to read comments like that. The “ excitement “ about the nomination of an unqualified, that’s generous, person like RFK is terrifying. It’s not an opportunity to root out corruption, it enables it.
The mandate to suspend research in infectious diseases to redirect funds to research in alternative “medicine “ is straight out of an insane asylum. If corruption is the main argument then focus on the alternative scams.
Life expectancy increases since the early 1900s are a direct result of real advances with real medical treatments; vaccines and antibiotics maybe the largest contributors to these increases.
Bad actors exist in every field. Where do you think they will aggregate? Where regulations exist or where there are no regulations?
Full disclosure: I worked in big pharma, I am proud of the lives saved. I am proud the industry supported research and the scientists involved in that research. And no, there is no legal ways for a pharmaceutical company to influence the results of trials. Can’t speak for other countries, in mine, 85% or more funding for medical research comes from private sources with some of the toughest regulations in the world. I trust the approval process, I trust the approved medicines to do what they’re supposed to do over any unproven alternative scams that prey on desperate people.
We are still dealing with the mess of the opioid crisis. The problem is when a few bad actors high enough in the chain slip up, it is catastrophic to the average American. People are not able to conceptualize the efficiency of an agency when it's running as it's intended to.
You are saying that vaccine science was properly tested and retested.. you mean all those trials without saline placebo with another vaccine as a comparator? that's the "solid" science? you mean gardasil trial where about 50% of participants developed "new medical condition", sometimes very debilitating? are you joking? with access to big health databases it will be quite easy and cheap to do comparative studies vax-unvax. the data is there. And we both know that the results will not be favorable to vaccines...
Ooh look, nother antivaxer entirely ignorant of vaccine trial design, vaccine history and quotes made up clinical trial results... you'd think just one of you would actually look up the information before making a fool of yourself...
Tell me something smart guy, what do you think the guidelines are for the design of a vaccine clinical trial? What do you think the aim of a phase 3 trial is exactly? Why do you think that post approval phase 4 and real world evidence trials are required by regulators after a vaccine has been approved? Why do you think vaccines (and all approved medications including generics) are monitored for safety on a continuous basis? What are the regulations for the reporting and investigation of serious adverse events on licensed medical products? Hmmm?? Awaiting your detailed response...
What’s comical is just about every schmuck like this is almost repeating verbatim any other dipshit is on the side of RFK Jr and any other MAHA advocate. And liberals are woke and brainwashed…
For the most part, what we take ourselves to know is due almost entirely to who we decide to believe. Scientists should have a Hippocratic Oath that is identical to the MDs: First Do No Harm. Too many scientists pass off in their writing and research statements that are not keeping in mind the incredibly tentative nature of the research project they just completed. Scientists of all flavors should carefully and assiduously eliminate political proclivities and biases from their work.
I have personal experience consulting with CDC, FDA, and USDA. Sadly enough, political leanings are NOT eliminated from the work these bureaucracies do. Sadly enough, something like 90 percent of published research in the social sciences cannot be reproduced. Sadly enough, 100 percent of what we read in legacy media about some "scientific" result is overstated and misstated.
Yes, of course. But politicians are not in the same league as professional scientists. Scientists have a greater burdon to be humble, truthful, and honorable in their work, just like medical doctors; at least that's my opinion.
Sad, but true. They should be held to the same high standards, given the human lives that depend on them. Sadly, they seem to be playing statistics and popularity contests and not recognizing they're supposed to be supporting actual people.
Scientific conclusions are always provisionally expressed in terms of probabilities, and are always subject to revisions in the face of contradictory evidence. That suggests presenting those conclusions with a degree of humility and an honest admission of their shortcomings.
In my opinion, we are no longer able to take pronouncements about science at face value. The problem is not only in the social sciences. It is in also in physical sciences. In my opinion, too may scientists have sold themselves to the federal grant process.
this article has zero unbiased science, its wholly an emo response to a comment and dripping ‘we’ and ‘us’ as if a massive group actually reads and critiques studies, or any books on disease and vax histories. This is hollow, when its all parroted repetition and no actual unbiased, not pharma bought, ‘science’
Not only does the P/Harma industry control allopathic medicine it controls the training of medical students so we churn out experts in vaccine schedules and medication prescriptions, well, pseudo-experts, who have little knowledge of anatomy, physiology and are incapable of diagnosis without a myriad of tests, and even then.
The same questions keeps me up at night! How do we bridge the gap? What can we do to get our message out in ways that resonate with the people who have been taken in by pseudoscience? I think it's going to take a unified sci comm village and innovative approaches to reach audiences who don't live where we display our evidence-based info.
I listened to the scientists and doctors 18 years ago. Then quit after said scientists and doctors ignored me after my son experienced full body hives, fever, encephalitis, and seizures post 4mo vaccines. Those doctors had no answers for my son. *I* sought out the answers and help he needed and he's now 18 and a pilot before graduating after doctors and teachers told me to give up.
The people you need to learn to remake to trust you are those you are right here demonizing and laughing at and condescendingly talking about. You can't build a bridge if you continue to ignore the harm this medical intervention has caused. It does not just hurt the person injured by it. It harms the entire family and their friends and church members and teachers as they all know who and what they saw pre vax and then post vax. Covid vaxxes were the biggest mistake you all could have made to help the public regain your trust. I can't talk to anyone anywhere these days about this without them giving me a list of no fewer than two people they know personally who experienced some sort of life altering side effect. An anaphylaxis allergy, myocarditis, rheumatoid arthritis, dementia, death, the list goes on. I *used to be* what I'd consider "rare" and only be able to find other moms like me online. Not anymore. I meet people everywhere. All ages. And you all caused that. And you still sit here keyboard warrioring telling yourselves that we all are crazy and the harm was rare and worth it for the greater good. The person who now has chronic pain or can't exercise or lives in fear of food does NOT think the result was worth avoiding the very small risk of complications from the equivalent of the common flu and cold. The people who lost family members immediately after the vax when the family member was *healthy* does not think the vax was the solution.
If you've gotten this far and want to demean me as you've done to do many others, then I wish you well , as you will continue wondering why those poor, stupid people won't listen to you still. Maybe though, just maybe, you will read this and ponder what I've said and wonder if you/your own profession are not more of the problem than you'd care to realize. Which means that you can dig into more research and help us come up with some answers for our hurting families.
BTW, if you are interested, look up what the vaxxes do to the Th1/Th2 immune system. The shift they create and how that affects autoimmune disease.
And so manybif those covid deaths were caused by hospitals willfully refusing treatment. Yes, there were a lot of deaths during covid. Many due to covid. But at least half were due to the hospital protocols that encouraged the use of remdesivir which Fauci et al took off the ebola trials because it was so deadly. So many deaths could have been avoided by proper treatment. Or by hospitals not treating the unvaxxed with less than acceptable treatment that so many in these comments poudly proclaim they believe should have happened. I don't know that you see how you all sound, but it is pretty disturbing.
I've read the article. It does not say what you are saying. The children affected had existing severe allergies to cows milk prior to being vaccinated.
Wow. Yes this divide is getting wider. Personally, I will continue to choose spirit over technology. Human hubris has not done the earth, or human health well ... I see most of the illnesses we are 'battling' are created by technology ... Sedentary lifestyle, synthetic fertilizer, pesticide etc ... Then we 'mitigate' with technological intervention... A slow downward spiral, always with a very profitable spin for the technologists. Illness is profitable. Speaking of evidence, in over 100 years of scientific experiments, contagion has yet to be proved ... Remember, the sun animates everything on earth - through sympathetic resonance.
Let’s just take the first vaccine you mentioned, HPV. Go read the package insert for HPV9. It’s maddening how shady Merck’s own data is. 2.2%, even in the short period they monitored got autoimmune disease? And 95% or so of the participants got either HPV9 vaccine or the previous version? That’s not an honest control group. The tiny saline group of about 100, didn’t have most adverse reactions even reported because Merck says they can’t confirm the cause? Ot could not be more problematic. Read it before defending these people.
"What will it take to bridge this gap? To help people understand that the scientific community isn't their enemy, that we're all searching for truth together?"
Sadly, there is no bridge. "Science" is the new kid on the evolutionary block. Most people do not think in terms of data and science and truth. They believe what they believe because it "works" for them. When they or someone they love is dying, they beg for good treatments, but they never appreciate or "believe" in the science/scientists that created them. It's just how most brains work. Scientists just need to keep on with their work undeterred as long as they are allowed to so the benefits keep on flowing.
So true. Evolutionary psychology would point out that science is usually on the cusp of progress, and our brains aren't programmed to like the cusp. We have a habitual, protective tendency to fear what is new. We don't know yet it can't harm us, so we default to "scary" and "dangerous." Our brains don't recognize the work of others showing it's safe, we just acknowledge what we have experienced as safe ourselves and eschew the unknown. It's easier and safer to be anti than pro in our mamalian minds. It's an act of bravery and trust outside of instinct to trust science, arguably even evolved. And many humans are fighting that, and their brains tell them they're literally fighting for their lives. Only time will tell if we can evolve out of that. Some people have...
Perfectly said Sheri! I like what you say about the courage it takes to suspend our evolved belief systems (mostly designed to reduce the risk of the 'false negative' that could get us killed) in favor of the results of scientific inquiry. Most find that too big a risk/leap.
It starts with relationships. That needs to happen first. People like us, I’m a science educator, are viewed with skepticism by those who believe people like RFK Jr.
It will take more measles outbreaks like what's happening in one Texas county. I'm old I lived before the Polio Vaccine ( took the sugar cube and then got the shot to stay safe) and had friends who caught Polio and suffered. I'm as confused as you and probably more disappointed. But I'll continue to read the truth, very my vaccines (if they're available) and they to stay safe and sane... it isn't easy. Sigh.
Thank you for doing this work and responding to people's skepticism so earnestly and thoughtfully.
I found Jessica Grose's recent OpEd helpful in understanding the emotional factor in all of this—and how America experienced a similar pattern after the 1918 flu pandemic.
As she writes, "Make America Healthy Again is an emotional, not an intellectual, movement. It is based on a fear of cultural and technological change, and it yields to charisma instead of bureaucracy."
And I think that gets at your point in this newsletter—the data, the studies, the facts don't matter when someone is deeply emotionally invested in a narrative that makes them feel safe and in control when the world feels scary and out of control. So while high quality research is still important (maybe more so than ever—though harder to do than ever?), changing hearts and minds will require emotionally-charged stories of why we need the tried-and-true public health measures we took for granted for so long.
What's so scary and what keeps me up at night is knowing that a lot of the powerful storytellers of the future are going to be parents who will come to this work because of a child's suffering and death that could have been prevented. I hope I'm wrong.
This should be a gift link for anyone who is curious to read the article:
Most of the anti-vax people I know are people who have chronic health conditions (or who have children with chronic health conditions) for which they want better care and explanations. My daughter was diagnosed with ITP after her first MMR vaccine-it was listed on the “rare side effects” form that I received when she got the shot. And though I was nervous about her second shot years later, I listened to the advice of her pediatrician and we monitored her carefully. No side effects for that one. How can we have better conversations with people like my friend who has built her whole influencer platform on healing herself from ovarian failure that she is convinced was caused by the HPV vaccine? And who’s to say it wasn’t if it is a rare side effect? People are really swayed by anecdotes of those who swear that they (or their children) were never the same after vaccines.
What will it take to change people's minds? I'm thinking that it might take a massive pandemic, but this time with no vaccines and no public health mandates, producing a far higher body count than COVID-19. Perhaps, after decimating half our population, the survivors might be willing to reconsider their beliefs.
An opposing perspective to consider on the HPV vaccine saga:
•A “groundbreaking” vaccine was rushed to market by our regulators because it addressed a critical unmet need.
•To make the vaccine work, a new reckless technology had to be used that exposed recipients to significant risk and inevitably produced contaminated vaccine lots.
•The vaccine’s benefit was largely theoretical and not supported by the clinical trials. Because of that, they had to be doctored to heavily exaggerate the vaccine’s safety and efficacy.
•Once the HPV vaccine hit the market, as predicted due to its known and theoretical risks, a tsunami of injuries happened.
•Instead of listening to the countless red flags and public protest, the regulators instead did everything they could to cover them up, began instituting vaccine mandates, and pushed the vaccine on more and more people to increase sales (e.g., boys at no risk of cervical cancer) while simultaneously ensuring the vaccine manufacturers had complete legal immunity for injuries from their product.
•All of the promised benefits of the vaccine have still failed to materialize, and if anything the vaccine actually made things worse (e.g., by changing the circulating strains or provoking severe HPV).
•None of the groups you would have expected to help end this violation of bodily autonomy or help the victims did; instead grass roots ones stepped up to help them.
•There has still been no accountability for what happened, nothing has been done to help the unimaginable number of people who were permanently disabled by the vaccines and the HPV vaccines are now one of the most lucrative pharmaceutical products on the market.
•All of that happened 17 years later with the COVID-19 vaccines.
The typical anti-vaccine activist talking points. Boring!
Claims made without evidence can be refuted without evidence... so since the poster showed no data to back up a single claim why should someone responding need to? These claims are idiotic considering the regulatory environment of the pharmaceutical industry.
oh, things like Event 201, PCR fraud, SPARS Exercise & doc 2017, Rockefeller Lockstep Manual, Dr. Gerald Parker's presentation for ONEHealth, no particle purified ever (FOI'd, by Massey), and more! But now you have 30+ hours of reading to digest and corroborate. I can't list all of the Financial conflicts of interest, it is too long. Have a great day "molecular biologist" David. :)
- https://anthonycolpo.substack.com/p/why-the-official-aids-story-is-a
- https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/did-you-know-that-on-july-28-2020
- https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/pcr-fraud
- https://youtu.be/IvhtnecFeRU
A waste of time.
Can you explain why the Fan Wu 'sars-cov2' discovery paper (2020) is an in-silico discovery only and has no purified viral particle pulled from a human sample? I am curious if you read it, and understand why they don't Validate Biological Structures from human biology?
Not my kuleana.
I think it will take these people seeing their children or other family members die of diseases that could have easily been prevented. I know of a number of covid deniers who have died of covid at great expense to taxpayers. Sad to say but let them die if that’s what they want but quit wasting my tax dollars in the process.
Ancient Greek proverb: “The gods help those who help themselves.”
During the height of our current pandemic, some doctors suggested not giving scarce hospital and ICU beds to people with covid who had not made use of their opportunity to get vaccinated. That would have allowed natural selection to take its course.
I'm reconsidering my harsh responses to anti-vaccine activists, because they may not be acting with malicious intent. They might actually have mental impairments that keep them from fully understanding the damage that they do. They seem to be oblivious about how people's deaths could result from their actions, as was the case with the 2019 measles outbreak in Samoa, and the recent death of a child in Texas.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rfk-jr-samoa-measles-vaccine-crisis-rcna187787
I'm reconsidering my harsh responses to anti-vaccine activists, because they may not be acting with malicious intent. They might actually have mental impairments that keep them from fully understanding the damage that they do. They are oblivious as to how people's deaths could result from their actions, as was the case with the 2019 measles outbreak in Samoa, and the recent death of a child in Texas.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rfk-jr-samoa-measles-vaccine-crisis-rcna187787
Notice how they cant interact with your responses other than by hurling invectives? Telling, huh?
Keep up the good fight, bro!
I'm reconsidering my harsh responses to anti-vaccine activists, because they may not be acting with malicious intent. They might actually have mental impairments that keep them from fully understanding the damage that they do. They seem to be oblivious about how people's deaths could result from their actions, as was the case with the 2019 measles outbreak in Samoa, and the recent death of a child in Texas.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rfk-jr-samoa-measles-vaccine-crisis-rcna187787
I think the same thing, sadly. That's what has brought progress historically. 😭😳
The article was bad enough, you commemt was worse. To begin with the OP
"All vaccines go through years of study..."
Hello...
We recently skipped that part. It wasn't that long ago. Can you remember past a few news cycles?? I know many are having trouble doing that now. Have you noticed that? Odd huh. Wonder what could have happened?
I was one of the few medical professionals in my area screaming about lack of testing and how dangerous it was to ignore decades of safety standards for warp speed. Clearly we dont always study it extensively. This post is not self aware at all about our social reality, why is another question.
Yes we have some good data, but we have a bunch of bad data. We have some major problems with the whole architecture of our medical system..This is dismissed.. and the whole post is disingenuous.
The whole gardasil thing is also misleading. I was in Texas in 06-07 working with some ugly case studies trying to prevent its mandate. She ignores all the problems with it. Disingenuous..
They pay lots of money to fill the space with noise.. like her. There is a greater than zero chance she knows better but is getting money. But I also know several practitioners that present like her who cannot handle that our medical field is not as altruistic as we were conditioned to believe, so they lie to themselves and say it is all fine and cherry pick their convos. Or they are idiots..they walk among us after all. I see some of them driving with cloth masks on because their doctor and our medical institutions told them it was effective. Amazing how centuries of studies regarding the physics of fluids suddenly became wrong. Trust the science is a selective business you know.
But they also pay the other side of the conversation to frame it. ( this is not even an open secret anymore and is a centuries old strategy)
This opposition crowd to our medical sciences has of course gone too far. This is also probably on purpose as well to muddy the conversation by framing the opposing view as absurd. From the no virus crowd to the all medical professionals are trying to kill me, even substack is filled with it.
Of course vIruses are real and some medicines and vaccines are very helpful. But nuance matters.
The public discourse is all trash, probably because those who are in power do not want accountability nor do they want the status quo to change so they have us all out here talking nonsense.
Science is managed for power. Anyone with a shred of intellectual agency should grok this by now.
Then your comment about what would it take?
It would be funny if it isnt very real possibility. On purpose.
The trust of the people must be earned back and it starts with not gaslightimg them. "Years of study.." FFS.
It is remarkable to me how so many of my colleagues and alleged "professionals " lack any amount of nuance to their considerations. That is if they are even being honest in the first place.
Why no RCTs for parachutes?
What a silly response.
No vaccine can protect us from willful arrogance. And so I've come to the sad, infuriating, and terrifying conclusion that it will require a return to the days of American children dropping like flies from measles, whooping cough, tetanus, you name it. When my mother died, I was deeply touched to discover that she'd held on to my sister's and my childhood vaccination booklets for over five decades. Thumbing through them, I compared our fate with four of my grandparents' siblings who were dead by age 6 of diseases we can now prevent. Estelle, Charles, Catherine, Babs. Children's lives are so cheap now.
And the Earth is FLAT. I responded to this same nonsense about how mothers who survived having the disease breastfeeding their kids was the preventative cure for measles. When I responded that I was one of those kids and got a severe case of the measles at 6 years old you went mute. Same thing happened to all my friends. So you have zero interest in evidence based science. What you’re trying to do is spread disinformation that will cause great suffering amongst people. That’s called Sadism.
You only show ignorance with this type of comments.
Ignoring verified science is worse.
Well, it is not verified, that's the point. But instead to read and evaluate, you choose to curse him out or discuss how to block him. Sooo smart and verified!😂😂😂
What isn’t verified?
Seems that factual evidence is anathema to your gig here. Maybe find a new one that you can make money from that helps people.
Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "often" and how it differs from the word "always"...
Behind a paywall as best I can see. The abstract at least does not support your viewpoint.
We are done.
Vinu, you are mistaken.
You are scientifically illiterate and your opinion is invalid. Shut the fuck up.
Every accusation is a confession with you asinine losers.
This comment is a trainwreck of anti-science nonsense. Infectious diseases don’t “protect” us—they kill and disable. Before vaccines, measles alone caused mass deaths and lifelong complications. The idea that we need these diseases for health is as absurd as it is dangerous.
Also, this has a certain… algorithmic staleness to it. A clunky, regurgitative quality, like something spat out by a bargain-bin AI trained on bad Facebook posts. If that’s the case: tell your creators they did a sloppy job. If not—well, that’s somehow worse.
So you’re advocating periodic mass die offs of the human population as occurred during the plague in Europe as a better outcome than vaccination? 50 Million estimated to have died. We could have another virus / bacterium come along with similar potential. As I said quite the sadistic view.
What does a link to a letter from a Uganda University about Measles and Burkitt’s lymphoma behind a paywall have to do with anything? Wasting our time with nonsense.
I’m done as well.
Wake up to real, valid scientific analysis of the pathogens that affect human health. Broaden your field of information out of the echo chamber of pseudo science with convoluted false logic that is about disinformation spreading.
Why do you insert links behind a paywall? You’re citing random things to look like there is substance there when there isn’t. You don’t have any understanding of the studies that you cite. They don’t back up your pseudo science
Not true - children can die of disease. You are completely mistaken.
Some ancestors survive not because of nutrition , but rather they have an immune system that does not over-react to the germ. /and every year new humans are born with differing varieties of immune systems - not exactly what their parents were . Infectious disease is a much more complex process - it is not nutritional status alone that determines how virulent any specific microbe is . Of course nutritional status is important , but it just does not determine all the ways your immune system functions. Many many well known epidemics have devastated very healthy peoples . The genes involved in infection response do not “ carry through” directly - in other words even if your mother AND father both survived smallpox , it does NOT ensure that your immune system genes will do that ( even though you got them from your parents ) . These immune system genes are sometimes called HLA genes and are about 16% of the genes you inherit. This is not the right place to go into HLA genetics , believe me I am a practicing primary doc and I find learning about them challenging. But , I can cite 2 brief illustrations . One , even identical twins do not have the same infectious disease responses . Similar ? Sure , but not the same. Second , in kidney transplants , sometimes the BEST match is NOT your closest relatives . Transplant medicine involves very careful manipulation of the immune system and this is related to infection response. Yet , in receiving a kidney from another individual , for the receivers immune system to tolerate it , a close relatives immune system may not be the best match . Strange , right ? But wonderful as well. That’s evolution for you - it does lots of things you just do not expect.
The article is a non sequitur unrelated to my post. I think it’s now widely known that antibiotic overuse is to be avoided.
Here is organ damage that is caused by the disease Covid. But you’re not really interested in understanding damage from infectious disease are you?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11048001/
You and I share something - we both want very precise engineering for vaccines . But there are other things we share - What of infections that last for the remainder of one’s life ? There are many of these . Too many to count but you know some of them well. Several of them , I guarantee , you carry yourself as do I . I do not know your age but if you are born prior to about 1990 you carry Chicken Pox virus , EB virus ( mono ) , CMV ( another type of Mono) . Something like 1 of 4 or 1 of 3 of your friends and family and acquaintances carry HSV , either 1 or 2 . This is just a beginning . Evolution did not get rid of these infections , they last a lifetime , even in you Vinu. And me . All of these were well documented prior to any vaccine era. Most of them we have no vaccine for . Most of these have lasted for millennia among humans and will continue to do so ( unless we were able to engineer vaccines to eliminate them , but most vaccines do not eliminate infections , nor were they designed to ) . Many , not all , of these lifelong infections have consequences that lead to mildly annoying ( think HSV 1 ) to devastating diseases ( think Multiple Sclerosis ) or highly lethal conditions ( think lymphomas or liver cancers) . Now if evolution or proper nutrition fixed all these problems , or at least the worst ones , why were these diseases well known very long before vaccines and yet continue ? Why didn’t evolution get rid of you or me , or our parents , as both of us could suffer the downstream effects of these infections.
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Shame on you.
It’s difficult to read comments like that. The “ excitement “ about the nomination of an unqualified, that’s generous, person like RFK is terrifying. It’s not an opportunity to root out corruption, it enables it.
The mandate to suspend research in infectious diseases to redirect funds to research in alternative “medicine “ is straight out of an insane asylum. If corruption is the main argument then focus on the alternative scams.
Life expectancy increases since the early 1900s are a direct result of real advances with real medical treatments; vaccines and antibiotics maybe the largest contributors to these increases.
Bad actors exist in every field. Where do you think they will aggregate? Where regulations exist or where there are no regulations?
Full disclosure: I worked in big pharma, I am proud of the lives saved. I am proud the industry supported research and the scientists involved in that research. And no, there is no legal ways for a pharmaceutical company to influence the results of trials. Can’t speak for other countries, in mine, 85% or more funding for medical research comes from private sources with some of the toughest regulations in the world. I trust the approval process, I trust the approved medicines to do what they’re supposed to do over any unproven alternative scams that prey on desperate people.
We are still dealing with the mess of the opioid crisis. The problem is when a few bad actors high enough in the chain slip up, it is catastrophic to the average American. People are not able to conceptualize the efficiency of an agency when it's running as it's intended to.
You are saying that vaccine science was properly tested and retested.. you mean all those trials without saline placebo with another vaccine as a comparator? that's the "solid" science? you mean gardasil trial where about 50% of participants developed "new medical condition", sometimes very debilitating? are you joking? with access to big health databases it will be quite easy and cheap to do comparative studies vax-unvax. the data is there. And we both know that the results will not be favorable to vaccines...
Ooh look, nother antivaxer entirely ignorant of vaccine trial design, vaccine history and quotes made up clinical trial results... you'd think just one of you would actually look up the information before making a fool of yourself...
Tell me something smart guy, what do you think the guidelines are for the design of a vaccine clinical trial? What do you think the aim of a phase 3 trial is exactly? Why do you think that post approval phase 4 and real world evidence trials are required by regulators after a vaccine has been approved? Why do you think vaccines (and all approved medications including generics) are monitored for safety on a continuous basis? What are the regulations for the reporting and investigation of serious adverse events on licensed medical products? Hmmm?? Awaiting your detailed response...
What’s comical is just about every schmuck like this is almost repeating verbatim any other dipshit is on the side of RFK Jr and any other MAHA advocate. And liberals are woke and brainwashed…
For the most part, what we take ourselves to know is due almost entirely to who we decide to believe. Scientists should have a Hippocratic Oath that is identical to the MDs: First Do No Harm. Too many scientists pass off in their writing and research statements that are not keeping in mind the incredibly tentative nature of the research project they just completed. Scientists of all flavors should carefully and assiduously eliminate political proclivities and biases from their work.
I have personal experience consulting with CDC, FDA, and USDA. Sadly enough, political leanings are NOT eliminated from the work these bureaucracies do. Sadly enough, something like 90 percent of published research in the social sciences cannot be reproduced. Sadly enough, 100 percent of what we read in legacy media about some "scientific" result is overstated and misstated.
First Do No Harm.
Politician should be held to that ethic too.
Yes, of course. But politicians are not in the same league as professional scientists. Scientists have a greater burdon to be humble, truthful, and honorable in their work, just like medical doctors; at least that's my opinion.
Sad, but true. They should be held to the same high standards, given the human lives that depend on them. Sadly, they seem to be playing statistics and popularity contests and not recognizing they're supposed to be supporting actual people.
Scientific conclusions are always provisionally expressed in terms of probabilities, and are always subject to revisions in the face of contradictory evidence. That suggests presenting those conclusions with a degree of humility and an honest admission of their shortcomings.
In my opinion, we are no longer able to take pronouncements about science at face value. The problem is not only in the social sciences. It is in also in physical sciences. In my opinion, too may scientists have sold themselves to the federal grant process.
this article has zero unbiased science, its wholly an emo response to a comment and dripping ‘we’ and ‘us’ as if a massive group actually reads and critiques studies, or any books on disease and vax histories. This is hollow, when its all parroted repetition and no actual unbiased, not pharma bought, ‘science’
Not only does the P/Harma industry control allopathic medicine it controls the training of medical students so we churn out experts in vaccine schedules and medication prescriptions, well, pseudo-experts, who have little knowledge of anatomy, physiology and are incapable of diagnosis without a myriad of tests, and even then.
The same questions keeps me up at night! How do we bridge the gap? What can we do to get our message out in ways that resonate with the people who have been taken in by pseudoscience? I think it's going to take a unified sci comm village and innovative approaches to reach audiences who don't live where we display our evidence-based info.
I listened to the scientists and doctors 18 years ago. Then quit after said scientists and doctors ignored me after my son experienced full body hives, fever, encephalitis, and seizures post 4mo vaccines. Those doctors had no answers for my son. *I* sought out the answers and help he needed and he's now 18 and a pilot before graduating after doctors and teachers told me to give up.
The people you need to learn to remake to trust you are those you are right here demonizing and laughing at and condescendingly talking about. You can't build a bridge if you continue to ignore the harm this medical intervention has caused. It does not just hurt the person injured by it. It harms the entire family and their friends and church members and teachers as they all know who and what they saw pre vax and then post vax. Covid vaxxes were the biggest mistake you all could have made to help the public regain your trust. I can't talk to anyone anywhere these days about this without them giving me a list of no fewer than two people they know personally who experienced some sort of life altering side effect. An anaphylaxis allergy, myocarditis, rheumatoid arthritis, dementia, death, the list goes on. I *used to be* what I'd consider "rare" and only be able to find other moms like me online. Not anymore. I meet people everywhere. All ages. And you all caused that. And you still sit here keyboard warrioring telling yourselves that we all are crazy and the harm was rare and worth it for the greater good. The person who now has chronic pain or can't exercise or lives in fear of food does NOT think the result was worth avoiding the very small risk of complications from the equivalent of the common flu and cold. The people who lost family members immediately after the vax when the family member was *healthy* does not think the vax was the solution.
If you've gotten this far and want to demean me as you've done to do many others, then I wish you well , as you will continue wondering why those poor, stupid people won't listen to you still. Maybe though, just maybe, you will read this and ponder what I've said and wonder if you/your own profession are not more of the problem than you'd care to realize. Which means that you can dig into more research and help us come up with some answers for our hurting families.
BTW, if you are interested, look up what the vaxxes do to the Th1/Th2 immune system. The shift they create and how that affects autoimmune disease.
And so manybif those covid deaths were caused by hospitals willfully refusing treatment. Yes, there were a lot of deaths during covid. Many due to covid. But at least half were due to the hospital protocols that encouraged the use of remdesivir which Fauci et al took off the ebola trials because it was so deadly. So many deaths could have been avoided by proper treatment. Or by hospitals not treating the unvaxxed with less than acceptable treatment that so many in these comments poudly proclaim they believe should have happened. I don't know that you see how you all sound, but it is pretty disturbing.
“Learn from us,” okay cult member. Now drink your unpasteurized cows milk and enjoy your bacterial infections.
Because breast milk comes from a human, not a cow...go choke on some milk curds.
Do you wear your aluminum hat out in public, or only inside your residence?
Seriously? You know it? How?
So you are an electrical engineer, right?
Not a biologist right? Any courses ever in biology?
I've read the article. It does not say what you are saying. The children affected had existing severe allergies to cows milk prior to being vaccinated.
Wow. Yes this divide is getting wider. Personally, I will continue to choose spirit over technology. Human hubris has not done the earth, or human health well ... I see most of the illnesses we are 'battling' are created by technology ... Sedentary lifestyle, synthetic fertilizer, pesticide etc ... Then we 'mitigate' with technological intervention... A slow downward spiral, always with a very profitable spin for the technologists. Illness is profitable. Speaking of evidence, in over 100 years of scientific experiments, contagion has yet to be proved ... Remember, the sun animates everything on earth - through sympathetic resonance.
Let’s just take the first vaccine you mentioned, HPV. Go read the package insert for HPV9. It’s maddening how shady Merck’s own data is. 2.2%, even in the short period they monitored got autoimmune disease? And 95% or so of the participants got either HPV9 vaccine or the previous version? That’s not an honest control group. The tiny saline group of about 100, didn’t have most adverse reactions even reported because Merck says they can’t confirm the cause? Ot could not be more problematic. Read it before defending these people.
"What will it take to bridge this gap? To help people understand that the scientific community isn't their enemy, that we're all searching for truth together?"
Sadly, there is no bridge. "Science" is the new kid on the evolutionary block. Most people do not think in terms of data and science and truth. They believe what they believe because it "works" for them. When they or someone they love is dying, they beg for good treatments, but they never appreciate or "believe" in the science/scientists that created them. It's just how most brains work. Scientists just need to keep on with their work undeterred as long as they are allowed to so the benefits keep on flowing.
So true. Evolutionary psychology would point out that science is usually on the cusp of progress, and our brains aren't programmed to like the cusp. We have a habitual, protective tendency to fear what is new. We don't know yet it can't harm us, so we default to "scary" and "dangerous." Our brains don't recognize the work of others showing it's safe, we just acknowledge what we have experienced as safe ourselves and eschew the unknown. It's easier and safer to be anti than pro in our mamalian minds. It's an act of bravery and trust outside of instinct to trust science, arguably even evolved. And many humans are fighting that, and their brains tell them they're literally fighting for their lives. Only time will tell if we can evolve out of that. Some people have...
Perfectly said Sheri! I like what you say about the courage it takes to suspend our evolved belief systems (mostly designed to reduce the risk of the 'false negative' that could get us killed) in favor of the results of scientific inquiry. Most find that too big a risk/leap.
It starts with relationships. That needs to happen first. People like us, I’m a science educator, are viewed with skepticism by those who believe people like RFK Jr.
What a pile a bull.🙄
It will take more measles outbreaks like what's happening in one Texas county. I'm old I lived before the Polio Vaccine ( took the sugar cube and then got the shot to stay safe) and had friends who caught Polio and suffered. I'm as confused as you and probably more disappointed. But I'll continue to read the truth, very my vaccines (if they're available) and they to stay safe and sane... it isn't easy. Sigh.
Thank you for doing this work and responding to people's skepticism so earnestly and thoughtfully.
I found Jessica Grose's recent OpEd helpful in understanding the emotional factor in all of this—and how America experienced a similar pattern after the 1918 flu pandemic.
As she writes, "Make America Healthy Again is an emotional, not an intellectual, movement. It is based on a fear of cultural and technological change, and it yields to charisma instead of bureaucracy."
And I think that gets at your point in this newsletter—the data, the studies, the facts don't matter when someone is deeply emotionally invested in a narrative that makes them feel safe and in control when the world feels scary and out of control. So while high quality research is still important (maybe more so than ever—though harder to do than ever?), changing hearts and minds will require emotionally-charged stories of why we need the tried-and-true public health measures we took for granted for so long.
What's so scary and what keeps me up at night is knowing that a lot of the powerful storytellers of the future are going to be parents who will come to this work because of a child's suffering and death that could have been prevented. I hope I'm wrong.
This should be a gift link for anyone who is curious to read the article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/15/opinion/rfk-maha-history-america-healthy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.xE4.DtTO.4tnbp4NHmIiP&smid=url-share
Most of the anti-vax people I know are people who have chronic health conditions (or who have children with chronic health conditions) for which they want better care and explanations. My daughter was diagnosed with ITP after her first MMR vaccine-it was listed on the “rare side effects” form that I received when she got the shot. And though I was nervous about her second shot years later, I listened to the advice of her pediatrician and we monitored her carefully. No side effects for that one. How can we have better conversations with people like my friend who has built her whole influencer platform on healing herself from ovarian failure that she is convinced was caused by the HPV vaccine? And who’s to say it wasn’t if it is a rare side effect? People are really swayed by anecdotes of those who swear that they (or their children) were never the same after vaccines.