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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

"Vaccines Don't Cause SIDS"

First, science cannot prove a negative.

We not only know vaccines cause SIDS, we understand the exact immunological mechanisms involved.

https://zenodo.org/records/1038682

Care to explain why Wyeth (now Pfizer) adopted a "small batch rule" to avoid hot lots of vaccines being shipped to any one area, after a cluster SIDS cases in one county in Tennessee?

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1768340746480812143

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BillyJoe's avatar

"First, science cannot prove a negative."

First, the saying is: "You cannot prove a negative".

Second, the saying is a guide not an absolute. In fact, you CAN prove a negative when the evidence that SHOULD be there if your claim is true is NOT there.

Third, you need to understand that it is actually not about "proof" - that is just shorthand - but about "the preponderance of the evidence".

"We not only know vaccines cause SIDS"

Again, it is not about "knowing" but about the evidence. And the preponderance of the evidence is that vaccines do NOT cause SIDS. The article you are commenting on provided a summary of that preponderance of evidence.

"we understand the exact immunological mechanisms involved; Zonodo"

Are you joking? Zonodo is an "open journal" which means that you can literally publish anything you like there. It is not peer-reviewed before being published and will generally be ignored after being published. This particular article has ZERO citations after 8 years. It is also a "bioinformatics analysis" so, at most, a preliminary theoretical study and therefore useless when we already have large studies of actual vaccinations showing that vaccinations do NOT cause SIDS.

"explain why Wyeth (now Pfizer) adopted a "small batch rule" to avoid hot lots of vaccines being shipped to any one area, after a cluster SIDS cases in one county in Tennessee?"

This was way back in the late 1970s, and it was simply a precaution in case the cluster of 11 cases in Tennessee was related to the DTP vaccine they had received. Wouldn't you expect them to do this as a precautionary measure before the investigation into the cause was done? However, despite extensive investigations, no evidence was found to link the cluster to the vaccines. The batch was also thoroughly investigated and was not found to be faulty. By all accounts this was a random cluster. And just a reminder: random clusters are expected when events are truly random. Also, it may interest you to know that, after the vaccine was cleared, the "small batch rule" was discontinued.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

Your incompetent biomed clowns have no certainty about what causes ANYTHING from allergies, asthma, autoimmunity, SIDS, autism etc. But they are magically certain that vaccines do not cause any of them. All based on corrupted ASSOCIATION epidemiology. These crimes will not go unpunished.

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BillyJoe's avatar

"Your incompetent biomed clowns..."

Wow! That's not the response I expected to my very considered, detailed, and respectful reply. Does that mean that you have no meaningful response to what I said?

"...have no certainty'

That is correct. Science is never 100% certain. This is why science is an ongoing process. That is why we see progress, because scientists never exclude anything but go with the most likely conclusion based on the amount of evidence that supports it but always leaving the path open for new evidence.

"But they are magically certain that vaccines do not cause any of them"

Nope, that is not what I said. I said - and read carefully this time - the vast majority of the evidence supports the view that vaccinations do not cause SIDS. I didn't even mention allergies, asthma, autoimmunity, and autism, but that applies as well. the vast majority of the evidence supports the view that vaccinations do not cause allergies, asthma, autoimmunity, autism, or SIDS

"corrupted ASSOCIATION epidemiology"

I will summarily dismiss this assertion unless and until it is backed up by evidence. I will say, though, that science has been practised by millions of scientists all over the world for 400 years, operating under widely different and varying scientific and political regimes. It is ludicrous to imagine that all these scientists have been in on a massive conspiracy to hoax the public. Also, science is extremely competitive, and you make a name for yourself by adding knowledge not by simply toeing the line.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

You contradict yourself. You also expose how Pharma/corrupted regulators commit their crimes.

"vast majority" = truth, according to you.

So the lone voice of sanity is always ignored. Worse they are censored/deplatformed/delicensed. No way to "name for yourself by adding knowledge not by simply toeing the line". How are you going create a "vast majority of studies" to challenge the existing "vast majority"?

Pharma regulators repeat the same corrupted studies and claim their "vast majority" of lies is the truth. Drowns out the lone study showing the truth.

Congrats. "Scientific consensus" is nonsensus at best, a crime at worst.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2824834

$72 billion corrupts US "research" alone.

https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/

"you make a name for yourself by adding knowledge not by simply toeing the line"

Do you live on Mars?

Anyone who told the truth gets Wakefielded. If scientific disagreements are allowed why the vicious attack on Wakefield?

Anyone who prescribed ivermectin for COVID, lost their license.

#Nuremberg2 coming up.

Now 85% of doctors reject the mRNA death jabs.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

" the vast majority of the evidence supports the view that vaccinations do not cause SIDS"

The vast majority of doctors killed people by refusing to wash their hands between handling cadavers and delivering babies.

Your science-by-democracy has killed millions.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

"Science is never 100% certain"

Thanks for confirming this article is a LIE: "SIDS: A Parent's Worst Fear Has Nothing to Do With Vaccines"

Another LIE: "Vaccine do not cause autism"

Another LIE: "Benefits outweigh the risks"

You don't even know what's in the vaccine. But you LIE: "Benefits outweigh the risks".

"Safe and effective" is not a lie. It's TWO LIES.

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BillyJoe's avatar

You are clueless, and you are clueless about the life of a scientist and how science is practised, and how it is finanaced. If science worked that way you stupidly imagine, we would not have the internet or computers for you to talk ignorantly about science, you silly thing. These things exist because science progresses, and it progresses because scientists question everything especially each other.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

We have known for a 100+ years now that injecting alien proteins into humans is barbaric. Causes deadly allergies and fatal asthma. You insanely inject alien proteins into human and use corrupted "research/peer review" to lie that vaccines are safe. Biomed is organized crime. Those days are over. The hammer of justice is coming.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1913/richet/lecture/

https://pdfcoffee.com/notes-of-immunology-pdf-free.html

pg. 157

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BillyJoe's avatar

"https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1913/richet/lecture/"

A lecture from 1913? Are you serious? That is 112 years ago? Do you not understand the vast amount of knowledge that has accrued over the last 112 years?

The lecture is about anaphylaxis.

None of the vaccines on the Childhood Vaccination Schedule were available except for tetanus toxoid, so this lecture cannot have been about vaccinations.

The incidence of anaphylaxis after a vaccination in the childhood schedule is about 1 in a million overall. And the vast majority can be successfully treated. Even if the success rate is only 95% (a conservative figure) that would be one death in 20 million doses of vaccine.

Compare that to the mortality rate of the infectious disease that vaccinations prevent. For example, in the case of measles, the mortality rate is 1 in a 1000.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

Stop using electricity. You know how old it is?

Richet's findings are taught in med school today.

https://pdfcoffee.com/notes-of-immunology-pdf-free.html Pg. 157.

Most doctors are fools who ignored that and they have poisoned generations. They are all guilty of assault.

We are talking about the concept of injected vaccines. Childhood/schedule are irrelevant. Everyone injected becomes allergic to everything in the vaccine (sensitization). 1 in a million will react to the next dose (anaphylaxis/elicitation). Vaccines contain food proteins. So you have the food allergy epidemic. Autism is just a special case of milk allergy.

People become allergic to the flu virus, tetanus toxoid, etc. So vaccines make all of them worse.

https://www.bmj.com/content/360/bmj.k1378/rr-15

https://vinuarumugham.substack.com/p/how-vaccines-cause-autism-a-visual

Infants put everything in their mouth. They evolved to catch every infection when protected by antibodies in breast milk. They "suffer" asymptomatic subclinical infection and build strong immunity. They pass it to the next generation. No one needed any vaccine. Until "public health" approved baby formula. Science never solved a problem without creating ten more - George Bernard Shaw.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

Even kids know wounds must be kept clean and infection avoided. The barbarians we call "doctors", make a wound on purpose, damage nerves and pump live viruses into it (MMR vaccine). Predictably the virus enters the nerves and causes numerous diseases including encephalitis.

All this for a harmless respiratory virus. Route of exposure matters in immunology. Barbarians don't care.

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BillyJoe's avatar

"Those days are over. '

It's not even over in the US, let alone around the world. There will be push back in the US from scientists and science educators who are dedicated to saving children's live and, if the inevitable happens, by the politicians themselves who will rein in the rampant stupidity of their new secretary of the HHS.

"The hammer of justice is coming."

And it's coming for RFK junior whose disinformation has caused the loss of countless lives of children over the last two decades, all so that he can make enormous profits as a lawyer.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

You clowns are beyond hilarious! And irrelevant now.

Pharma rakes in trillions to make you sick and keep you sick for life and you want to talk about "enormous profit" Bobby can make suing Pharma out of existence?!

60% don't trust you clowns. And we have not even started. The truth is wildly popular. Try it some time.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Vinu "the clown" Arumugham:

Every accusation is an admission ;)

This is clearly not someone with any background in science or medicine. And he is clearly deficient in even basic critical thinking skills. So, a typically crass supporter of MAHA and RFK junior. He also clearly has a garbage bin of ready-made copy-paste responses. He is also, clearly a crank and a conspiracy theorist. So, not someone with whom you can have a sensible discussion.

I suggest we let him rave and wallow in his own garbage until he has emptied his garbage bin all over himself.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

"Wouldn't you expect them to do this as a precautionary measure before the investigation into the cause was done?"

Distributing death is a "precautionary measure"?

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BillyJoe's avatar

"Distributing death is a "precautionary measure"?"

I see. So, you would have removed the DTP vaccine from the childhood vaccination program, would you? You would remove a vaccine with a long record of safety and efficacy because at one point in time, in one narrow locality, there was a cluster of cases of SIDS, something that you would eventually expect to happen by random chance. Is that right? A vaccine that has saved countless lives of children?

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

No one needs ANY vaccine. Vaccines have saved no one. Vaccines are the worst scam in history.

"long record of safety"

We have known for a 100+ years that alien proteins can never be injected safely into humans. So you swallowed their lies.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1913/richet/lecture/

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Copernicus's avatar

Kids in Ghana, I believe, had increased mortality after getting DTP vaccinations. It's not a benign vaccine, and even the medical folks admitted this when they swapped it out for the less dangerous, less effective DTaP.

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BillyJoe's avatar

"increased mortality after getting DTP vaccinations."

That was in Guinea-Bissau where childhood infectious diseases are rife, and it was the DTP vaccine as you say. The findings were controversial with some other studies confirming the effect and others disconfirming them. However, it does not apply to countries like the US where infectious diseases are far less common (though this might change if vaccination rates fall).

"the less dangerous DTaP."

The DTaP vaccine is not less DANGEROUS. It causes MILDER ADVERSE EFFECTS such as fever and injection site reactions because the "acellular form" is less antigenic.

And the DTP was not more dangerous. It caused stronger adverse effects such as fever and injection site reactions because it was composed of the "whole cell" and therefore more antigenic.

"the less effective DTaP"

DTaP is not less effective than DTP, its effect wanes more quickly so you need more frequent booster doses. You should get a booster dose of DTaP every 10 years. Also, that applies only to the Pertussis component, not the Diphtheria and Tetanus components.

"even the medical folks admitted this"

It is incorrect to say that the medical scientists ADMITTED this. They are the ones who researched the differences and informed the public about them. The medical scientists are the reason that you know about them.

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Copernicus's avatar

Kids got more encephalitis/seizures after DTP than DTaP. I think that qualifies as more than a minor adverse effect.

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Unbekoming's avatar

Thank you Dr Steier for a very informative article.

It is now clear that these 38 ingredients most definitely do NOT clause SIDS.

"Here’s a complete list of every vaccine American children receive. I’ve underlined the one that has been studied for its relationship to autism: hepatitis B, rotavirus, DTaP, Hib, pneumococcal, polio, flu, MMR, varicella, hepatitis A, meningococcal, and HPV (teenagers).

And here are all thirty-eight vaccine ingredients.

Once again I’ve underlined the one that has been studied for its relationship to autism: 2-Phenoxyethanol, albumin, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum potassium sulfate, amino acids, ammonium sulfate, antibiotics, bovine components, bovine serum, chick embryo cell culture, culture, detergent, dextrose, enzymes, formaldehyde, gelatin, glutaraldehyde, human components, human embryonic cells, lactalbumin hydrolysate, medium 199, mineral salts, monosodium l-glutamate, phenol, phosphate, polymixin B sulfate, polysorbate-80, potassium aluminum sulfate, potassium chloride, potassium phosphate monobasic, sodium borate, sodium chloride, sodium phosphate dibasic, sorbitol, soy peptone, sucrose, thimerosal, vero (monkey kidney) cells, and yeast protein.8

Do you think it’s reasonable to say, “Case closed; we’ve studied vaccines and autism”? (See figure 3.1.)"

https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/grey-wolves

It's also comforting to know that although 78% of SIDS deaths occur within 7 days, that is most definitely just a coincidence.

"Of 2605 infant deaths reported to VAERS from 1990 through 2019, 58 % clustered within 3 days post-vaccination and 78.3 % occurred within 7 days post-vaccination, confirming that infant deaths tend to occur in temporal proximity to vaccine administration."

https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/sids

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BonnieO's avatar

Great review! So important to address when these “articles” like this are spreading rampantly through communities who already have low vaccination rates .

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Jan's avatar

Thank you for all of your hard work to present facts.

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Harri Ahonen's avatar

This article is such a fraud. It’s truly disgusting

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Nikki lumpkin's avatar

I was reading this but then as soon as i came across the term "pregnant parent" you lost me.

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goodnightrose's avatar

Should beg the question as to whether she reached any of her other conclusions based on "unbiased science." 🥴

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Deanna Kline's avatar

You or the team share ‘back to sleep’ dropped sids nearly 50% , the first article also says this, thus your team and the exact same article says jabs MAY reduce sids by 8% in the SAME time frame back to sleep was implemented. So it was back to sleep, and NOT a jab. If one cannot critically discern this simple (and clearly stated by the authors) confounder while evaluating a research article, one is not even qualified to call themselves ‘unbiased science’. For if one cannot discern this simple item, they surely cannot discern whether they are truly unbiased and certainly are unqualified to comment on ‘science’.

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Martin King's avatar

It’s not overwhelming the immun system with pathogens from multiple vaccines that’s an obvious problem, it’s the adjuvants and other chemical additives that will be having a cumulative effect on the immune system and which has never been studied for safety so is definitely a candidate at least for the meany problems that seem to be linked to vaccines

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Stuart Hutt's avatar

I think you should start with what are in vaccines and are they helpful. The traditional flu shot adjuvants were mercury, formaldehyde, alcohol and animal bits in pieces, (they were changed 3 years ago). Forty two out of forty-five have vaccines have aluminum. The FDA does not regulate aluminum very well and is in drugs, antacids, processed food, deodorant, Alzheimer drugs, makeup, suntan lotion, fast food french fries, powdered milk/baby formula, processed food, etc.

The Hep B vax is given to newborns which has aluminum in it. The amount can vary by over 200%. Newborns nor children need toxins.

Toxic levels of aluminum are found in brain biopsies of autism and alzheimer patients (Dr Christopher Exley, Imagine you are an Aluminum Atom book and he is on Substack). High loads of aluminum are found in MS patients urine during chelation.

Now was there a virus ever isolated? In 1954 John Enders "isolated" the measles virus and was awarded the Nobel Prize. Based on his methodology there was no isolation, it was just phlegm taken from one patient, added to a petri dish with toxins and created cellular destruction. He is the father of modern vaccines, LOL.

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VF's avatar

Pharma shills wrote this nonsense. Not science! Propaganda.

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Vicky MD MPH's avatar

This does a nice job of dispelling some of the claims regarding the perceived links between SIDS and vaccine administration.

Unfortunately, it misses an extremely important modifiable risk factor: avoiding bed-sharing or co-sleeping, which is an excellent opportunity to reduce risk. There have been studies suggesting some cultural differences in approaches to safe sleep and co-sleeping may contribute to the disparities in SIDS. Anecdotally, I've seen mortality and morbidity from co-sleeping.

Additionally, a lot of new work on SIDS and SUID (sudden unexpected infant death https://www.cdc.gov/sudden-infant-death/about/index.html) suggests underlying genetic vulnerabilities that are beginning to be elucidated.

As always, the less we stratify data by demographic information, the less we learn about possible disparities - so limitations to DEI work will affect our knowledge of SIDS and SUID.

Finally, and this is the quibble of a neonatologist - it's a bit more nuanced than just saying apnea is a known condition in preterm infants (multiple drivers, severities, consequences of apnea; I do understand that is beyond the scope of this informative post).

But that's why neonatal-perinatal medicine is a whole board certified specialty requiring 3 years of fellowship and I get to spend my whole day obsessing over apneas in babies.

I do not spend my whole day obsessing about vaccines. I encourage them, because the safety track record is strong, and they save lives.

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BillyJoe's avatar

There is a misleading statement in this section:

"public health agencies use more rigorous surveillance systems, such as the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) and the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) Project, which rely on validated medical records to assess vaccine safety. It serves as an early warning system but cannot establish causation"

The "It" in the last sentence seems to refer to VSD and CISA, but it actually refers to VAERS.

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If you are claiming VAERS and VSD are RIGOROUS safety surveillance systems, then why do all you indoctrinated people claim we cannot observe the obvious cause and effect of vaccine harms in VAERS reports? You discredit parents, who know their children better than the quacks in costumes, and dismiss VAERS reports showing obvious cause and effect, and believe in the vaccines like a religion. Disgusting

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BillyJoe's avatar

"If you are admitting VAERS and VSD are RIGOROUS safety surveillance systems"

They are different and the article explains the difference. VAERS provides an early warning system. Those early warning signals can turn out to be true or false. That's where VSD comes in. It separates the true from the false signals.

"then why do all you indoctrinated people... "

You are not indoctrinated only if you accept something without thinking about it and understanding it. If you understand what is going on, you are not being indoctrinated, you are just learning and understanding stuff.

"claim we cannot observe the obvious cause and effect of vaccine harms in VAERS reports?"

Because VAERS reports:

- can be made by anyone, including lawyers for plaintiffs and anti-vaccine activists

- do not take into account the "base rate" of the signal (symptom or disease) in the population at large.

So, if VAERS reports produce a signal (symptom or disease) you need to first adjust for the rate of that signal (symptom or disease) in the population at large. If that still shows an association with the vaccine, then special studies need to be done using systems such as VSD which establish whether or not the vaccine actually caused that signal (symtom or disease)

"You discredit parents, who know their children better than the quacks"

Well, imagine if we just accepted everything a parent reported about their child after a vaccination as being caused by the vaccination. Not every single parent is attuned to their child. Not every single parent is intelligent. Not every single parent is aware of things like the "base rate".

"quacks who ... dismiss VAERS reports showing cause and effect"

Those quacks, as you call them, actually set up VAERS specifically for the purpose of detecting rare adverse effects and they set it up as an "early warning system" so that any adverse effects would be picked up as soon as possible. However, that also meant that sometimes the signal would be a false signal. But, no problem, because they also set up a system to distinguish between the true and false signals.

"quacks who ... believe in the vaccines like a religion"

Scientists don't beleive in vaccines like religion, they trust vaccines they have passed phase 1, 2 and 3 clinical trials and have stood up to post-marketing surveilance through VAERS and VSD . That is exactly why they set up VAERS as an early warning system, despite its flaws, and why they set up VSD to deal with its flaws.

Most vaccines never get rolled out to the public because they fail phase 1, 2, or 3 clinical trials. If they pass clinical trials, it means they are far safer than the diseases they prevent leaving only rare adverse effects which can only be picked up after the vaccine gets rolled out to large numbers of the general public and picked up by VAERS reports and confirmed through VSD.

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BillyJoe's avatar

There are some grammatical errors in the above, but the system doesn't allow me to edit the comment, so I hope it still makes sense.

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BillyJoe's avatar

This article makes to old mistake of putting the false claims instead of their correction.

Unfortunately, people tend to remember the first thing they read. You should correct the claim before ever mentioning the false claim. For example: "Vaccines are NOT a cause of infant deaths and VAERS is NOT an appropriate source for this type of information" before ever mentioning the false claim and then you should also preface it with FALSE CLAIM: "VAERS data is proof of vaccine-related deaths".

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Yes, the deaths reduced from thousands to hundreds because of science-based public health and sanitation measures. Since then, vaccinations have reduced the incidence from hundreds to tens of cases. And these are the deaths of children we are talking about. You are putting the lives of children at risk with your science illiterate rantings.

But I see you are a silly conspiracy theorist and not amenable to reason.

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